2008 primary campaign, writing about hillary clinton's campaign but thinking about obamamania. i came out and the show is so much about these populous crowds, he stands in front of people, and they're projecting upon him their every wish and dream. and i came out of the theater and said to my friends, that was totally about obama, right? >> they said, no, that's about the tea party. >> even the bank, andrew jackson waged a war against what was the fed of the moment, the national bank. saying the big bankers are the root of all problems. this is the populism. >> the issues of indians, immigration, who's in america, what it means to be an american. how we protect borders hop you we form borders. these are all so much of what you see in the show just -- it is history that comes back again and again. >> so are we making progress? >> i don't know.